Jan 13, 2026
Like many Americans author Josiah Hesse grew up believing that hell was a real place. And that he was almost definitely going to spend eternity burning there. His only possible salvation were the dueling evangelical churches that promises that their way was the only way into heaven. In this week’s video I speak with Hesse about his new book On Fire For God: Fear, Shame, Poverty and the Making of the Christian Right, which you could think of as the antidote to J.D. Vance’s Hillbilly Elegy. Where Vance sees church as the antidote to the moral collapse of American values, Hesse recounts how the various congregations he participated in were just a thin veneer of moral superiority designed to cloak drug addiction, affairs, spiraling debt and a general unwillingness to confront reality as it exists. This is the real theology that underpins Project 2025.
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