Christian Nationalism vs Clown World

 

Oct 9, 2025  

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

Doug Wilson, Evangelical pastor and self-proclaimed Christian nationalist, has been preaching for decades that America needs to reclaim its Puritan past. But in 2025, he believes he’s “significantly” more influential. Does that mean America is closer to Wilson’s goal of theocracy? In this episode, nothing is off limits — even Ross’s own salvation.